Classic Forever

CLASSIC FOREVER · TALENT WORKSHOP

Plan your path.

Nine classes. 27 talent trees. Left-click to add a point, right-click to remove it.

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Class, level and talent order in one link.
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Rogue · Point by point

Your order from level 10, one point per level. After removing points, dependent steps move later if needed. This is your plan, not a recommended build.

Choose your first talent in the tree to start your leveling path.

Provisional Forever data and Classic planning rules. When the dataset changes, older links are flagged as outdated rather than loaded without validation.

Provisional: community data, not the final Blizzard client

470 talents from WoW Forever Talents, structurally compared with Talents Forever. 27 entries differ in position, rank count or prerequisite and are marked orange. Sources partly use the same footage; agreement is not independent confirmation. We have not checked every tooltip or higher-rank value ourselves.

Planner rules: one point per level from 10, up to 51; five points per unlocked tier. Classic rules provisionally assumed for Forever. One invalid Rogue node is locked: the source requires 5/3 Precision for Dual Wield Specialization. No Legacy or profession trees. Talent names and effects retain the English source text.

Icons compared with community talent trees on September 17. Where symbols differ, we follow WoW Forever Talents; verification in the Forever client is pending.

WoW Forever Talents · data methodology · Talents Forever ↗

Shared build and talent order loaded.

Assassination17 talents

0 points
Improved Gouge
Remorseless Attacks
Malice
Ruthlessness
Murder
Improved Slice and Dice
Relentless Strikes
Improved Expose Armor
Lethality
Vile Poisons
Cold Blood
Improved Poisons
Vigor
Mutilate
Improved Kidney Shot
Seal Fate
Venom

Combat17 talents

0 points
Improved Eviscerate
Improved Sinister Strike
Lightning Reflexes
Puncturing Wounds
Deflection
Precision
Endurance
Riposte
Improved Sprint
Improved Kick
Restless Blades
Dual Wield Specialization
Blade Flurry
Hack and Slash
Weapon Expertise
Aggression
Adrenaline Rush

Subtlety19 talents

0 points
Camouflage
Master of Deception
Opportunity
Setup
Elusiveness
Dirty Tricks
Improved Ambush
Initiative
Ghostly Strike
Improved Distract
Heightened Senses
Premeditation
Serrated Blades
Dirty Deeds
Preparation
Hemorrhage
Quietus
Cutthroat
Thousand Cuts

Select a talent to see its rank text and prerequisites.

CLASS ARCHIVE · Rogue

What is new? What has changed?

Classification relative to Classic according to the community source, not since our latest update. “Changed” may include position or rank count. This is not a confirmed Blizzard patch log.

10 talents in this selection. Browsing does not change your build.

MutilateAssassination · 1 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: Instantly attacks with both weapons for 75% weapon damage plus an additional 13 with each weapon. Damage increased by 20% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 Combo Points.

Tier 5 · requires 20 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:04 (Assassination row 5, col 2)
  • forevertalents.up.railway.app (third-party dataset, footage-based)
VenomAssassination · 1 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: Finishing move that increases the damage of your Poisons by 30% and your chance to apply Poisons by 10%. Lasts longer per combo point:\n 1 point: 9 seconds\n 2 points: 12 seconds\n 3 points: 15 seconds\n 4 points: 18 seconds\n 5 points: 21 seconds

Tier 7 · requires 30 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:09 (Assassination capstone)
  • forevertalents.up.railway.app (third-party dataset, footage-based)
Puncturing WoundsCombat · 3 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab by 10% and your Mutilate by 5%, and gives Backstab a 15% chance to add an additional Combo Point.

Tier 2 · requires 5 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:05 (Combat row 2, col 1)
Restless BladesCombat · 1 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: Your damaging finishing moves reduce the remaining cooldown of your Adrenaline Rush, Blade Flurry, Evasion, Sprint, and Vanish abilities by 2 sec per combo point.

Tier 4 · requires 15 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • forevertalents.up.railway.app (third-party dataset, footage-based)
Hack and SlashCombat · 5 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 1% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 1%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 3% of your target's armor.

Tier 5 · requires 20 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:05 (Combat row 5, col 3)
Dirty TricksSubtlety · 2 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: Reduces the Energy cost of your Sap and Blind abilities by 25%.

Tier 2 · requires 5 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • forevertalents.up.railway.app (third-party dataset, footage-based)
Improved DistractSubtlety · 2 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: Increases the radius of your Distract ability by 3 yds, and further reduces the Stealth detection of distracted enemies as though they were an additional 1 level lower.

Tier 3 · requires 10 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • forevertalents.up.railway.app (third-party dataset, footage-based)
QuietusSubtlety · 5 ranksReview issues

Rank 1 according to the source: Your Sinister Strike, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities cause 2% more damage against targets below 35% health.

Tier 6 · requires 25 points in lower tiers

Conflicting source structure: prerequisite

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:07 (Subtlety row 6, col 1)
  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:09:13 (rank 1 tooltip)
  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:09:13 (Subtlety tree frame, arrow from Dirty Deeds)
CutthroatSubtlety · 5 ranksReview issues

Rank 1 according to the source: Your Backstab has a 3% chance to cause your next Ambush within 10 sec to not require Stealth.

Tier 6 · requires 25 points in lower tiers

Rank texts are being rechecked after a source update.

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • forevertalents.up.railway.app (third-party dataset, footage-based)
  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 (rogue tree overview frame, prerequisite arrows)
  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:08:57 (rank 1 tooltip)
Thousand CutsSubtlety · 1 ranksNew

Rank 1 according to the source: When your Rupture ability deals periodic damage, the Energy cost of your next Hemorrhage or Backstab ability within 10 sec is reduced by 3, stacking up to 5 times.

Tier 7 · requires 30 points in lower tiers

Open source tree
Source provider’s evidence notes

Third-party notes, not footage fully verified by us. Filenames are not accessible evidence.

  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:05 (Subtlety capstone)
  • forevertalents.up.railway.app (third-party dataset, footage-based)
  • twitch:Xaryu VOD 2872270692 @5:09:24 (rank 1 tooltip)

FROM TALENTS TO CLASS KNOWLEDGE

Rogue · Explore the lexicon

Known class changes, abilities and their sources. Preview observations are not final game values.

THE EVIDENCE CHRONICLE

New findings. Open questions.

· Chronicle updated

Chronicle updated: recent individual reviews appear alongside older findings. This date does not mean every source was rechecked. Current video review scope and class coverage appear below; actual Forever gameplay tests remain pending.

Source update

Mage: hybrid idea remains unverified

Corgideus captions: recorded Arcane Blast/Frostfire Bolt combination as an open build idea. No rank values imported.

Selected captions

Next check: Compare bonus and stacks in the client.

Source update

Warrior: stance and cooldowns

Recorded Esfand’s Thunder Clap and Shield Wall commentary. Recklessness not individually confirmed; an edited stream is not independent corroboration.

Selected captions

Next check: Test spells and stances individually.

Source update

Druid: open interactions

MMARKERS: selected captions reviewed. Questions on other players’ bleeds, healing and mana efficiency documented as open.

Selected caption review · 15 September 2026

Next check: Test controlled comparison cases in the beta client.

Source update

Rogue: duel commentary assessed

Recorded Sodapoppin’s Blind commentary separately from subsequent cleansing assumptions. Not our own aura test.

Selected caption review · 15 September 2026

Next check: Observe the aura and each removal ability separately.

Source update

Priest: race comparison remains open

Recorded Night Elf Devouring Plague commentary; generalization to every race is unconfirmed.

Selected caption review · 15 September 2026

Next check: Compare spellbook and trainer for each actually offered Priest race.

Source update

Shaman: wishes separated from demo claims

Selected caption passages from Esfand’s September 14 video were reviewed. Wishes remain separate from demo claims. Improved Ghost Wolf was additionally checked visually at 6:17: first point, displayed 0/2. This verifies neither the second rank nor all later tooltips.

Esfand · 6:17 · first-rank visual check

Next check: Check the second rank and other tooltips in original frames. Cajato’s calculator comparison remains a separate source, not independent client evidence.

Source update

Guzu video: captions now reviewed

Group discussion from 47:43 describes Frost damage and control positively. This is a subjective demo impression; automatic captions do not reliably identify the speaker. The windows around 45:08 and 48:03 provide no spoken confirmation of Ghost Wolf or Totemic Projection. This neither confirms nor rules out visible tooltips.

Guzu · First Look · 13 September · automatic captions

Next check: Inspect original frames at the Shaman timestamps. Do not derive spell IDs or talent values from error-prone captions.

Source update

New community review leads

The September 15 search found reports of corrected Shaman and Warrior details in community talent calculators. These leads are not video evidence verified by us. Existing talent values therefore remain unchanged. The Blizzard Deep Dive was rechecked as a primary source.

Community leads · 15 September 2026

Next check: Visually check Shaman tooltips and Xaryu Thunder Clap. After initial direct retrieval failed, Guzu caption review succeeded; see the new entry.

Official · rechecked

Deep Dive: new answers in the lexicon

New topic overview for Legacy, rulesets, Hardcore, Paladin, camping and transmog. Will of the Forsaken now reflects Blizzard’s explicit statement that it grants no subsequent immunity.

Blizzard · Forever Deep Dive

Next check: Continue checking rank-specific talent values against original tooltips.

Source update

Talent text: 22 review cases after source updates

The comparison found updates to 76 talents, including rank-text differences in 22. These include withdrawn values, wording corrections and new claims, not 76 balance changes. Affected rank texts are hidden pending review. Talent points, prerequisites and saved builds are unchanged.

WoW Forever Talents · comparison 22:39 UTC

Next check: Check new Joardee and Xaryu timestamps and Paladin panel frames; do not automatically adopt values.

Source update

Races: 34 abilities with direct video sources

Additional review on 13 September: 31 racial descriptions read in Savix’s character-selection footage; three others marked as transcript evidence. Includes Stoneform, weapon bonuses, Eureka, Cannibalize and Rapid Regeneration. Original images and DE/EN summaries are in the race guide. Demo text is not final mechanic verification.

Forever Codex · DE / EN · racial evidence

Next check: Check Orc passives, Horde Skysight and missing cooldowns against readable original evidence.

Source update

Druid: five source updates, not a balance update

Compared with our import, Genesis, Feral Swiftness, King of the Jungle, Rend and Tear and Wild Growth received icon mappings and source notes. No talents were added or removed; rank texts, rank counts and prerequisites were unchanged. The notes reference WotLK icons, not a verified Forever client. Now applied as presentation-only icon mappings; our imported snapshot and all effect values remain unchanged.

WoW Forever Talents · Druid

Next check: Compare original tooltips and icon footage; do not transplant WotLK effect values.

Unverified hands-on report

Warlock: another lead on Improved Corruption

Crixxious reports six hours with the convention demo, capped at level 38. Improved Corruption reportedly reduces cast time and increases damage together. This qualitatively matches the community dataset, but does not confirm our percentages or every rank; specific tooltip footage is still needed.

Crixxious · hands-on report · 13 Sep 2026

Next check: Find published gameplay and check the tooltip with a timestamp. Do not extrapolate to level 60 or the beta level cap.

Official · rechecked

Skyborne classes: rechecked against Blizzard

Blizzard lists Warriors, Hunters, Rogues and Druids for both factions, with Shamans for the Horde and Mages for the Alliance. New druid forms and racials are announced, but the recap does not provide a complete table of effects and values. This is a recheck, not a new announcement.

Blizzard · What’s Next recap · 12 Sep 2026

Next check: Find individual evidence for all racial abilities. Do not infer additional classes from omissions.

More research routes & verification rules

Comments surface questions, not representative statistics. Screenshots only establish the visible rank and demo version. Datamining requires a publicly available client and build number; we have not independently verified a full Forever client. The six-hour check is scheduled as a Codex task, not an always-on server crawler. The last documented successful review above remains authoritative.

Data imported: 2026-09-13 · Source talent tree · Game art and game text: Blizzard Entertainment. Original planner UI; not affiliated with Blizzard. Use “Share build” to save your build as a link. Without a saved link, edits are lost on reload.

BLIZZCON · CLASSES & TALENTS

Piecing together the talents.

Gameplay, panel announcements and first impressions from BlizzCon: explore the new talents and class abilities.

Talent spotlight

Vanguard · Penance · Riptide · Eclipse

Abilities and talent changes from the BlizzCon demo, with direct sources for the featured effects.

Conflicts & common mistakes

  • Undead: proc chance is not healing amount.
  • Hot Streak: not automatically instant Pyroblast.
  • Shaman Dual Wield: Savix questions his own initial assumption.
  • Same name ≠ identical Retail, SoD or TBC ability.

Featured abilities reflect the demo version. Values and talent trees may change before release.

Research by class: evidence and open checks

Counts refer to lexicon entries with explicitly recorded evidence types, not fully verified talents. An entry may contain multiple evidence types. Our own Forever-client gameplay tests remain pending for every class.

Warrior

7 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 1 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

Paladin

5 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 1 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

Hunter

7 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 6 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-14. Not complete class acceptance.

Rogue

3 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 1 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

Priest

5 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 4 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

Shaman

6 entries · 2 with visual tooltip evidence · 5 with transcript evidence · 0 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

Mage

5 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 3 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

Warlock

4 entries · 0 with visual tooltip evidence · 4 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

Druid

7 entries · 1 with visual tooltip evidence · 6 with transcript evidence · 1 classified as community commentary

Latest individual review: 2026-09-15. Not complete class acceptance.

New source reviews from September 15
Mehr SieglindeLegacy and achievement reactionFull German automatic captions read; early talents, open respec conditions and optional bonuses recorded. Reaction to Icy Veins footage; silent tooltips not independently checked.CorgideusMage talents explainedCaption keyword search and sections 1:30–2:50 / 9:40–11:27. Hybrid build recorded as an untested idea; no rank values released.EsfandWarrior reworkSelected captions: Spearing Strike, regeneration, Protection talents, Thunder Clap and cooldowns. Edited from the same stream; no independent tooltip verification.MMARKERSDruid build discussionSelected captions: other players’ bleeds, healing scaling and Eclipse mana efficiency as open questions. No tested rotation.SodapoppinRogue reworkSelected captions: Blind duel commentary, Venom and Thousand Cuts. Aura type, cleansing and rank values not independently tested.SodapoppinPriest deep diveSelected caption passages on race-specific spells and Penance. Night Elf commentary recorded; availability for all races unconfirmed.SEANOWarlock first lookSelected caption passages; specialization opinion and open Soul Shard questions.MMARKERSPaladin / ShockadinSelected caption passages; build prediction, not measured PvP performance.World of WarcraftHardcore panelForever sections: world refresh, transfers and Legacy. Not a full video review.GameSpotBlizzard developer interviewAutomatic captions read; class roles and faction choice incorporated.EsfandShaman talent rundownSpoken explanations reviewed; Ghost Wolf tooltip visually checked at 6:17. Other silent tooltips remain open.CajatoWarrior analysisSelected caption passages; calculator analysis is not independent client confirmation.GuzuForever impressionsSelected caption passages; Frost impression treated as group opinion.Lvladen PvPPaladin build predictionsMetadata only. English captions unavailable; content not analyzed.
Earlier research: 22 videos and caption gaps
EsfandBlizzCon Day 1Captions processed; not a complete visual reviewEsfandRelease reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewEsfandReveal reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewEsfandPaladin demo editCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewSavixBlizzCon full streamCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewXaryuDungeon first lookCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewXaryuPlaying ForeverCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewWorld of WarcraftOfficial panelCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewCountdownTalent tree analysisCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewBenjamin HoskinsRacial analysisCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewSodapoppinForever reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewDefcamp & Melderon TVForever impressionsCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewPhilpseyForcePanel reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewThraun GamingForever recapCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewBootyBay StammtischPodcast 23Captions processed; not a complete visual reviewBootyBay StammtischBlizzCon LIVECaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewCraft12354Forever recapCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewFentsyForever reactionCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewMehr SieglindeRoadmap recapCaptions processed; not a complete visual reviewBigbillygamesShaman demo dungeonNo retrievable transcript · not analyzedAhmpyOpening ceremonyNo retrievable transcript · not analyzedMuchamielBlizzCon livestreamNo retrievable transcript · not analyzed